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From N-Caftori@neiu.edu Wed Oct 21 15:58:15 1998 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:29:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Netiva CaftoriTo: all cpsr listservs , cpsrmad@neiu.edu, cpsrmich@neiu.edu, cpsrmidw@neiu.edu, cpsrohio@neiu.edu, cpsrtwin@neiu.edu, cpsr-chapters@cpsr.org, cpsr-activists@cpsr.org Subject: From Andy: High bandwidth (was Re: Finally my word...) (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:11:50 -0400 From: Andy Oram To: Netiva Caftori , all cpsr listservs , cpsrmad@neiu.edu, cpsrmich@neiu.edu, cpsrmidw@neiu.edu, cpsrohio@neiu.edu, cpsrtwin@neiu.edu, cpsr-chapters@cpsr.org Subject: High bandwidth (was Re: Finally my word...) I'd like to expand on the high-bandwidth working group, because it may not be clear at first why CPSR should get involved with this or what the public interest is. Those who managed to get to Boston last weekend heard a very insightful and persuasive explanation on this subject by Jeff Chester, who applied his experience with older broadcast media (he's the director of Center for Media Education) to digital media. I can't do as well here, but I'll make a stab at it. The question is first "Who controls?" and secondly "What will they do with the medium?" The high-bandwidth media that everybody is salivating over may not be like the Internet, which has maintained a large "anything goes" component. Barriers to entry have been pretty low on the Internet. (Of course, we can always use more people online and more education about how to set up a Web page.) But there is no reason for major companies offering high-bandwidth to want this diversity on the new media. The cable companies offer Internet access, but they also have portals with propriety content, and they are looking for ways to offer commercial content supported by advertising. They may even institute our old bugaboo, per-minute or per-byte pricing. Telephone companies are competing with DSL, but are using their local monopolies to make entry by other companies hard for various ways. There are many ways, subtle or overt, for cable companies and telephone companies to shut off access to competitors and to low-budget content providers. It's too early to tell what's going to happen or what it's effects will be on access and content. But this early point is just the right one for us to get involved and champion our traditional causes. Taking off from "One Planet, One Net," I thought of calling the new group "Broadband, broad participation." The history of radio and TV is very interesting here, and those who join the high bandwidth group should educate themselves in these areas. Get involved with us! Thanks for the summary, Netiva. Andy
From ANamioka@ActiveVoice.com Wed Oct 21 15:58:22 1998 From: Aki NamiokaTo: "'Netiva Caftori'" , all cpsr listservs , cpsrmad@neiu.edu, cpsrmich@neiu.edu, cpsrmidw@neiu.edu, cpsrohio@neiu.edu, cpsrtwin@neiu.edu, cpsr-chapters@cpsr.org, cpsr-activists@cpsr.org Subject: RE: From Andy: High bandwidth (was Re: Finally my word...) (fwd) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:43:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andy - this was a great summary. I just wanted to add two local examples which may help others in similar situations. TCI is the local cable provider in Seattle and we are the 2nd test area for the @Home service (cable modem service). Before they rolled the service out I received a high-level architecture document for the @Home service and Andy is exactly right. It is essentially a "closed" network that has/will have prioritary applications running on it that will take advantage of the high bandwidth. It has rolled out to 200 homes in Seattle. Unfortunately, the roll-out of this service in Seattle was one of the few pathetic concessions we got from TCI in return for a 10 year refranchise agreement with the city. If other cities are undergoing refranchise talks with TCI - you can try to use this as a leverage point and I hope you do better than we did. With respect to DSL - the Utilities Commission in Washington (WUTC) was not prepared to allow the DSL service to be introduced based on concerns about equitable access by all ISPs. I am on the board of the Washington Association of Internet Service Providers and we were able to negotiate a roll-out schedule that was (in theory) supposed to support both US West ISP service AND independent ISP service (MegaCentral) at the same time. The WUTC agreed to this plan and DSL is now available in Washington state. Lesson number 2, US West couldn't support the demand for MegaCentral service and the result is US West.com has a huge advantage over other ISPs. These are both issues where other areas of the country can benefit from prior information and learn from what happened here in Seattle and Washington. Andy has already written an excellent article about the DSL situation. I am sure @Home will share their architecture doc with you if you ask nicely. BTW - both of these services do provide the promised bandwidth if you are the only person on the block. If everybody on your block signs up for the service the performance seriously degrades - or so says an electrical engineer friend of mine. There is a lot of potential for action in this area - I am looking forward to the formation of the Working Group. - Aki
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